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Post by Operator on Apr 5, 2009 20:43:16 GMT -5
That's right, I said it. In spite of the fact that many anarchist texts refer to them as "pigs", etc, they are in fact people, just like you and me. The only thing that separates them from us is that they wear a badge and uniform, and are paid to uphold the laws that most of us agree upon. However, things get a little messy when absurd laws that threaten our Constitutional rights come into play. And for the police, it's not so easy to risk losing your comfortable, secure, $80k a year job to join in the efforts of changing things in Washington... Especially when Uncle Sam is writing all your checks. "It's not that I don't like you, officer, it's your boss that I have the problem with." Remember, there are members of the police and military that oppose the NWO as well: jackmclamb.org/Just something to consider. |
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Post by dodge on Apr 5, 2009 20:49:20 GMT -5
Definitely. Also remember that low level gvmt workers are not your enemy, as well as employees in large bank corporations. Like most of us, they 'need the money'. This includes supervisors of said banks.
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Post by moomoomans on Apr 5, 2009 20:53:20 GMT -5
That's right, I said it. In spite of the fact that many anarchist texts refer to them as "pigs", etc, they are in fact people, just like you and me. The only thing that separates them from us is that they wear a badge and uniform, and are paid to uphold the laws that most of us agree upon. However, things get a little messy when absurd laws that threaten our Constitutional rights come into play. And for the police, it's not so easy to risk losing your comfortable, secure, $80k a year job to join in the efforts of changing things in Washington... Especially when Uncle Sam is writing all your checks. "It's not that I don't like you, officer, it's your boss that I have the problem with." Remember, there are members of the police and military that oppose the NWO as well: jackmclamb.org/Just something to consider. I agree. However, I dont think we should hesitate to oppost them if they directly threaten us... |
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Post by dodge on Apr 5, 2009 20:55:51 GMT -5
Of course not. If they seek harm on us, we're still fighting first and foremost for ourselves, so we retaliate. But afterwards, let it be known that it was not out of anger at them in particular. hell, give them the link to this site if you can. Maybe they'll learn something.
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Post by Operator on Apr 5, 2009 20:58:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I was actually thinking we should get in touch with that Jack McLamb guy... He seems pretty cool, and it might just be reassuring to know that the only people fighting the NWO aren't a bunch of rebellious youth from 4chan.
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Post by atrasicarius on Apr 5, 2009 21:40:05 GMT -5
That's right, I said it. In spite of the fact that many anarchist texts refer to them as "pigs", etc, they are in fact people, just like you and me. The only thing that separates them from us is that they wear a badge and uniform, and are paid to uphold the laws that most of us agree upon. However, things get a little messy when absurd laws that threaten our Constitutional rights come into play. And for the police, it's not so easy to risk losing your comfortable, secure, $80k a year job to join in the efforts of changing things in Washington... Especially when Uncle Sam is writing all your checks. "It's not that I don't like you, officer, it's your boss that I have the problem with." Remember, there are members of the police and military that oppose the NWO as well: jackmclamb.org/Just something to consider. Well, in my experience, that kind of job tends to attract people who like power over other people. Not that I'm saying all police are like that, but I think there are some who enjoy their job a little too much. |
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Post by anarch on Apr 6, 2009 2:16:42 GMT -5
Hitler was a nice guy in person, too. He liked dogs.
It's posts like these that make me feel like this entire group is doomed to failure. You claim to want change but you're afraid to do anything more proactive than wearing fucking armbands. You're even afraid to break taboo and point out that the cops are, indeed, pigs. As a whole, they're cowards, habitual liars, violent, and frequently willing to abuse their positions.
In one of the most recent mass shootings, police arrived at the building within 5 minutes. That's slow enough; when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. They then waited another 40 minutes before actually entering! While innocent, unarmed people were dying, the cops, with their handguns, shotguns and assault rifles were hiding. And, of course, the department defends their response. The cops are always quick to circle the wagon whenever one of them does wrong.
You can't count on the police to defend you. Look up Warren vs. District of Columbia. Prepare to be sickened. The short of it: three women were raped for 14 hours because police did not respond to their repeated calls for help. And what does the court find? That it's a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen."
So the government has no obligation to protect you. Try telling them that you have no obligation to pay taxes.
The greatest murderers of the 21st century were states. But it was not the politicians pulling the triggers, it was their willing enforcers, the police and the military. "Just following orders" is not a defense. They, and everyone, have a moral obligation not to initiate harm against another human being. And they fail in this duty, repeatedly. Did you know that you are more likely to be killed by a cop than by another citizen?
Now you do. You have no excuse for defending them.
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Post by atrasicarius on Apr 6, 2009 2:19:32 GMT -5
Hitler was a nice guy in person, too. He liked dogs. It's posts like these that make me feel like this entire group is doomed to failure. You claim to want change but you're afraid to do anything more proactive than wearing fucking armbands. You're even afraid to break taboo and point out that the cops are, indeed, pigs. As a whole, they're cowards, habitual liars, violent, and frequently willing to abuse their positions. In one of the most recent mass shootings, police arrived at the building within 5 minutes. That's slow enough; when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. They then waited another 40 minutes before actually entering! While innocent, unarmed people were dying, the cops, with their handguns, shotguns and assault rifles were hiding. And, of course, the department defends their response. The cops are always quick to circle the wagon whenever one of them does wrong. You can't count on the police to defend you. Look up Warren vs. District of Columbia. Prepare to be sickened. The short of it: three women were raped for 14 hours because police did not respond to their repeated calls for help. And what does the court find? That it's a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." So the government has no obligation to protect you. Try telling them that you have no obligation to pay taxes. The greatest murderers of the 21st century were states. But it was not the politicians pulling the triggers, it was their willing enforcers, the police and the military. "Just following orders" is not a defense. They, and everyone, have a moral obligation not to initiate harm against another human being. And they fail in this duty, repeatedly. Did you know that you are more likely to be killed by a cop than by another citizen? Now you do. You have no excuse for defending them. This. |
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Post by notasheep on Apr 6, 2009 2:22:00 GMT -5
If anyone here knows anyone trustworthy who has a government job and would support our cause, please ask them to join the June 1st rallies and direct them to this site. they would be powerful allies.
Edit: if you are approached by government workers who have been ordered to break up the demonstrations, attempt to persuade them to join the demonstration by reminding them that they have the right and duty to disobey orders that violate someone's right to peaceably assemble.
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Post by Tacgnol on Apr 6, 2009 2:49:58 GMT -5
As long as there is no threats to property and persons and you are not blocking roads and doorways, your allowed to hold a peaceful protest.
If you knew in advance you would have atleast a thousand protester, you can go to the local police station and request the street to be gated off.
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Post by Operator on Apr 6, 2009 5:21:15 GMT -5
It's posts like these that make me feel like this entire group is doomed to failure. You claim to want change but you're afraid to do anything more proactive than wearing fucking armbands. If that's how you feel then why are you here? I'm just offering a different perspective. It's too easy to see the police as "the enemy" when they're just an obstacle, a nuisance at best. I don't know about your city, but living in San Francisco I guess I've been blessed with getting to experience relatively cool, laid back cops that aren't the typical small-town power-tripping types. I'm just saying, if we could see eye to eye with the people carrying the weapons, then we would win this battle. But as long as we're making them our enemy, then that is all they will ever be. |
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Post by trotskyistfag on Apr 6, 2009 21:15:30 GMT -5
I agree. In the October Revolution, the majority of the "reds" were solders and policemen. We must try to avoid violence whenever possible. For one, it makes us look better, and second it bypasses unneeded hardship and death. However, if attacked, we shall defend ourselves, our people, and our Constitution.
EDIT: Spelling error.
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Post by nohandle on Apr 6, 2009 21:41:00 GMT -5
The short of it is this:
The police, regardless of whether or not you believe, are the enemy as they are the enforcers and direct authority. However, for this cause they aren't the direct enemy and shouldn't be targeted without good cause, as someone already posted "it wouldn't look good for us" which could easily mean our downfall.
Anarch, I view the white armband thing as "recruitment" (for lack of a better word/sleep) with more powerful actions being used later. Criticism ought to be constructive so I'm curious as to what you'd like to do.
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Post by Tacgnol on Apr 8, 2009 2:19:27 GMT -5
The states are now allowed to use US soldiers to put down protesters as in a state of martial law.
Exactly the same thing that the states did when they were in Venezuela.
Anyone that had a newspaper or attempted to be a reporter was dragged off and either tortured or killed.
Innocent citizens were shot in the streets.
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Post by vilenin1917 on Apr 8, 2009 2:21:30 GMT -5
This is a very difficult topic to discuss.
First of all, the police are a part of our class. The police sell their labour to survive, making them proletarians. The same with the military. They are, by Marxist definition, part of "the people".
However, they are also the machinery of the bourgeois state. They have betrayed their class to advance the interests of the ruling class. The police and the military will be suppressing revolution. They will take the bosses' side of the barricade.
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