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Post by notasheep on Apr 6, 2009 18:33:07 GMT -5
If you knew that your government wouldn't take anything from you or even criticize, other than things that are inherently dangerous to other people, would you allow them to search you and everyone else in ways that do not regularly interfere with your daily life? If your government stopped bothering people about what they look at and say online, would you allow them to monitor your internet use? If your government stopped confiscating your personal drugs and weapons, would you allow them to search you for evidence in a crime which you did not commit?
If the government stopped looking for excuses to arrest people and confiscate their belongings, and started focusing on real problems like murders, rape(not consensual sex with a minor), terrorism, etc., I would feel safer with being watched at all times. The excuse they give right now, which is to protect us from each other, would be a good one if we didn't feel that we had to be protected from them. I would gladly be search, knowing that I won't be bothered for what they find, and they'll search the next person with the same scrutiny and take away the weapon that he intended to kill me and hundreds of other people with.
If the government gave us MORE freedom, like the freedom to choose to do recreational drugs and possess media depicting criminal sex acts which we had no part in, more people would be willing, and even GLAD to be watched.
Also, people are being charged as sex offenders for merely being nude in public? Are you going to bleed to death through your eyes if you see my erect penis? No. Nothing will happen. Shut up about the children, because I'm thinking about them, too. Children are exposed to nudity throughout their daily lives all over the world, and even in locker rooms where public nudity is illegal, and they are completely unaffected. Can I hide explosives under my shirt and kill hundreds of people? Yes. Public nudity should not just be legal. It should be ENCOURAGED. Someone walking into a courthouse nude does not need to be searched, and saves the government time and money on security personnel. I would feel very safe if I walked into a room full of naked people because I would know who's hiding a deadly weapon. Nobody.
We're not safe because we're not free. Every day, someone is plotting to destroy each and every one of us, and countless victims of violent crimes go without justice because the government's too busy taking away our freedom. In this way, More freedom means more security.
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Post by Tacgnol on Apr 6, 2009 20:46:43 GMT -5
If the government stopped looking for excuses to arrest people and confiscate their belongings, and started focusing on real problems like murders, rape(not consensual sex with a minor), terrorism, etc., I would feel safer with being watched at all times. The excuse they give right now, which is to protect us from each other, would be a good one if we didn't feel that we had to be protected from them. I would gladly be search, knowing that I won't be bothered for what they find, and they'll search the next person with the same scrutiny and take away the weapon that he intended to kill me and hundreds of other people with. That is what they want. They want the people to be begging for the government to be putting these security ... "things", for lack of a better word ... in place. |
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Post by nohandle on Apr 6, 2009 21:25:39 GMT -5
No one should be allowed into my personal business unless I want them to be so the government can fuck off.
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Post by notasheep on Apr 6, 2009 21:51:34 GMT -5
That is what they want. They want the people to be begging for the government to be putting these security ... "things", for lack of a better word ... in place. But would these security measures be such a problem if they were unable to use what they find as excuses to take away our liberty? I think the major problem is that they're making us feel like we have something hide when we really don't. If only those who wish to do harm are seriously affected by searches, why should those of us who are minding our own business mind? I'd rather be searched without being questioned about something weird than not being searched and nobody being and nobody being questioned about their weapons. Consider the reasons you don't want to be searched. Are you hiding something harmful? Probably not. If we lived in a society where you knew that when you are asked to empty your pockets looking for a smoking gun following a nearby murder and you take out a bag of cocaine, a communist pamphlet, and a nude photo of a random 10 year old found online, the officer tells you to move along, would you mind being under a watchful eye? I think the only thing that's seriously wrong in this society that put us in the state of fear that everyone's in is the fact that it's commonly believed that completely benign acts cause harm. |
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Post by notasheep on Apr 6, 2009 21:54:48 GMT -5
No one should be allowed into my personal business unless I want them to be so the government can fuck off. What harm does it do to allow somebody to know what you're doing and what you have? Understand that I'm playing Devil's Advocate so we can work through the logic of all of this and be prepared to offer solutions that every can agree on. |
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Post by atrasicarius on Apr 6, 2009 21:56:09 GMT -5
That is what they want. They want the people to be begging for the government to be putting these security ... "things", for lack of a better word ... in place. But would these security measures be such a problem if they were unable to use what they find as excuses to take away our liberty? I think the major problem is that they're making us feel like we have something hide when we really don't. If only those who wish to do harm are seriously affected by searches, why should those of us who are minding our own business mind? I'd rather be searched without being questioned about something weird than not being searched and nobody being and nobody being questioned about their weapons. Consider the reasons you don't want to be searched. Are you hiding something harmful? Probably not. If we lived in a society where you knew that when you are asked to empty your pockets looking for a smoking gun following a nearby murder and you take out a bag of cocaine, a communist pamphlet, and a nude photo of a random 10 year old found online, the officer tells you to move along, would you mind being under a watchful eye? I think the only thing that's seriously wrong in this society that put us in the state of fear that everyone's in is the fact that it's commonly believed that completely benign acts cause harm. But what if I dont want people knowing I've got these things in my pocket? (not that I do any of those things.) Would you have sex in front of a bunch of strangers? Maybe you would. It wouldnt surprise me, based on what I've seen, but most people, including myself, wouldnt. There's this thing called privacy that a lot of us value. |
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Post by Tacgnol on Apr 6, 2009 22:01:17 GMT -5
When they shut off the internet, then will you still be saying that?
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Post by notasheep on Apr 6, 2009 22:04:35 GMT -5
There's this thing called privacy that a lot of us value. Exactly. I'm trying to get everyone thinking about WHY you value privacy and come up with an understandable explanation for its importance, particularly how and why it's worth the risk to security. We face charismatic "leaders" who have everyone convinced with well-thought reasons. We need reasons to counter with. |
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Post by Tacgnol on Apr 6, 2009 22:12:17 GMT -5
They test their boundaries.
Like children, they push and push seeing what they can do, what they can take.
When they no longer have public approval, they do it behind your back anyways.
This is just another step in the direction of the elimination of the constitutions.
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Post by notasheep on Apr 6, 2009 22:36:51 GMT -5
They test their boundaries. Like children, they push and push seeing what they can do, what they can take. When they no longer have public approval, they do it behind your back anyways. This is just another step in the direction of the elimination of the constitutions. This is a good start, but people don't understand how this is even possible, let alone probable. Many don't even see that as a problem. |
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Post by Tacgnol on Apr 6, 2009 22:46:59 GMT -5
The government needs not the approval of the people in order to make laws.
The official way of passing bills is a facade put up to make the people seem like they have power.
They tell you what you can and cannot talk about.
They tell you when you can and cannot talk.
They tell you how you can convey your message.
They tell you where you can and cannot talk.
They tell you who you cannot talk about.
They do not tell you why you cannot talk about what you wish to.
If you talk freely and it opposes them, they will do all in their power to censor you.
If they cannot censor you, they will defame and discredit you.
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Post by dodge on Apr 8, 2009 6:56:22 GMT -5
I don't let the government search me willingly because I'm afraid they'll either plant shit to get me in trouble for some reason or they'll find something that they can possibly use as evidence against me somehow that i don't even see as being a big deal.
If they couldn't use shit against me to arrest me other than actual evidence of a serious crime, i'd probably be more willing, but I also have an odd aversion to being questioned about shit in such a way that it makes me feel threatened so it might still be hard for me to take it especially if they ask questions about shit. Idk it's hard to explain what i mean haha
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